Thanks Cappytan, I also hate to go to their website. It's worse than porn.
John Aquila
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Video: How can we be sure the Bible is true?
by cappytan inone of the latest jw borgcasting videos i referenced in another thread.
uploaded to youtube so that you don't have to go to borgville to watch.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz34cfrarag.
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Mentally Diseased - is it partly our fault that we got this label?
by cappytan ini was thinking about this the other day.. a common way for apostates to "fade" is to pretend to have depression or anxiety problems.. is it possible, that when apostates become known, the elders report to the society that said person was undergoing mental health problems?
i can see a scenario where the society then took those statistics that were reported and just decided, "well, it looks like the only ones leaving are those with mental diseases.".
oh, and not to mention the subliminal messages conspiracy theorists.
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If a person says growing a beard is wrong or,
If a person believes saying "Bless you" after sneezing is wrong or,
If a person believes eating a turkey on a certain day is wrong but OK on any other day, or,
If a person believes that masturbating turns you in a Homosexual or,
If a person believes that if your child is in an accident and needs a blood transfusion but its better to let him die than accept a blood transfusion or,
If a person believes that it is wrong to take blood but it's OK to take blood as long as they break it into fractions or,
If a person believes it's OK to talk to a person who has raped a 5 year old child but it's not OK to talk to a person who doesn't believe in the overlapping generation
Then who really is the one that's Mentally Diseased?
And since the members can't figure this out, what does that say about the members?
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Mentally Diseased - is it partly our fault that we got this label?
by cappytan ini was thinking about this the other day.. a common way for apostates to "fade" is to pretend to have depression or anxiety problems.. is it possible, that when apostates become known, the elders report to the society that said person was undergoing mental health problems?
i can see a scenario where the society then took those statistics that were reported and just decided, "well, it looks like the only ones leaving are those with mental diseases.".
oh, and not to mention the subliminal messages conspiracy theorists.
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Mentally Diseased - is it partly our fault that we got this label?
Is it possible, that when apostates become known, the elders report to the Society that said person was undergoing mental health problems?
In all the years I was an elder, we never reported to the Society that certain individuals were undergoing mental health problems. The Society didn’t give a rat’s ass who was having trouble mentally.
It’s a control and scare tactic that is used by many authoritarian groups to manage control of the members. It’s not a new tactic. In the 1600 Galileo went against the current view of the Church that the earth was not the center of the Universe and that the Sun did not revolved around the earth, but instead he proposed that the earth revolved around the sun. He was labeled a heretic and mentally diseased. And there was consequence to anyone who would talk to him or help him in any way. He was tried and found guilty of heresy and apostasy and it wasn’t until 1992 that the Catholic offered and apology to Galileo. Almost 400 years later.
Hey, maybe 400 years from now the WT will offer an apology to us mentally diseased apostates.
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How many of us stayed in the organization longer than necessary for these other reasons?
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disposable hero of hypocrisy
I can't blame you, they're jolly nice.
Exactly the reason I'm still in. For her sake.
That's a very good reason my friend!
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How many of us stayed in the organization longer than necessary for these other reasons?
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The "Final Push" before the GT!!! I think they REALLY believe it!
by DATA-DOG ini don't know if i have shared this with everyone, but there seems to be a new theocratic term, at least in my circuit.. the term is "final push.
" wtf does it mean?
well, an eldub said that the gb are "all in" with warwick and they might spend all their money on the project.
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Hey DJS, yes my avatar is Dexter, and I agree, hot girls always look amazing. So here is a little something from Dexter, his girlfriend Hannah.The final push in 'Our world" of apostates.
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The "Final Push" before the GT!!! I think they REALLY believe it!
by DATA-DOG ini don't know if i have shared this with everyone, but there seems to be a new theocratic term, at least in my circuit.. the term is "final push.
" wtf does it mean?
well, an eldub said that the gb are "all in" with warwick and they might spend all their money on the project.
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"The final push."
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The Governing Body-Faded apostates?
by John Aquila inive been here less than a year, but ive notice that the majority of us have faded for various reasons.
we also read the stories of those who got disfellowshipped or disassociated themselves.
in the majority of the cases, their parents will not talk to the children for years and the children will not talk to the parents even if they are dying.
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I’ve been here less than a year, but I’ve notice that the majority of us have faded for various reasons. We want to talk to our family, want to keep our marriage, we still have parents who are alive and we don’t want to lose contact.
We also read the stories of those who got disfellowshipped or disassociated themselves. In the majority of the cases, their parents will not talk to the children for years and the children will not talk to the parents even if they are dying. And the marriage will never be the same.
But whatever the reason, most of us are not willing to pay the price and declare, “The Watchtower is a cult and evil and the Governing Body is a bunch of Fu*****liars.
The price is too high.
If that is the case with us, why should we not believe that at least some of the Governing Body are faded apostates with more to lose than us? For one thing they are old. They have no marketable skills that will sustain them in a decent job. If they are awake, they may have come to conclude that the Bible is not a book from God so they may feel there is no one to help them and no one to pray to.
Think about what they are seeing just like us.
The generation of 1914 has died.
The anointed is growing instead of declining.
100 years have passed since 1914
The annual growth of the organization is 2% instead of 15% in the 70s
All the child sexual lawsuits
And several more changes that I’m sure they are aware of for the future.
I feel some, if not all, are faded apostates just like us, bidding their time and enjoying what they have at the moment, until either they die or until the jig is up and it’s all gone.
Isn’t that what we are doing?
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WHY DO ONLY A FEW START TO QUESTION DOCTRINE CHANGES AND NOT EVERYONE?
by disillusioned 2 inthere are many on here who state specific changes in wt publications have caused them to start questioning (understandably you would think), and yet the majority don't.
why is it only a few individuals that do this?
curious as to what others think about this.
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There’s a couple of books that shed some light on this question.
“The True Beliver” by Eric Hoffer and “The Believing Brain” and “The Science of Good and Evil” by Michael Shermer”People in general don’t like change, because change is disruptive. If the status quo is tolerable, then most people “Prefer” to go along with the current flow. But there is always a few people out of the “Group of Humanity” that always want to know more about the world and life. In the process of learning, they come to realize that the path they are in- is a dead end and they need to formulate a more viable trajectory into the future. It’s the brain’s response as a result of any new information it has received to give the person a “Wake up call” thus prodding people to abandon undesirable situations like (Dead end jobs, bad relationships, and cults)
But for the majority of people, as long as they are not affected personally by ridiculous demands, they will prefer just to go along with the flow.
It’s people like us “apostates that open the door to knowledge of the world. Remember Galileo? He went against the current religious idea that the earth was the center of the universe and the sun revolved around the earth. He was considered as apostate and found guilty of apostasy and a heresy.
But he was right. And everyone else was wrong.
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Disfellowship, Disassociate, or fade. What would you do different.
by John Aquila inhindsight: .
many times because of the shock of learning ttatt, a person loses it.
you want to scream and tell the whole world that the watchtower is a big lie.
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Awake magazine quote:
This magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away.
I need to get some of those old Awakes magazines. That was like the red flag for me. 1995 the year the generation starting changing, the year trouble started brewing in my household.
